NRLA accepts S21 abolition but wants “pragmatic” amendments to Bill

Ben has to get those student tenancies sorted. 🤣
Accept abolition of S21? For that alone he should be ashamed. 🤬
I wonder how long we will be able to comment before Kim Jon Norwood shuts it down. 🤔

Maybe 9.15-9.30 comments will be turned off 😂

So fixed term tenancies to continue for students? What about those on shorterm technical training courses, secondments and internees who require shorterm rentals? Is a landlord to hand their keys over for the life of such people? Grove is a moron.

I think we LL's have to accept Section 21 is going.. I propose we make the best of the worse situation by copying Spain. All new tenancies probationary for 12 months (ideally 18 months but we won't achieve that) before automatically becoming life (assured) tenancies.. We can point out that although some LL's might "churn" their tenants every year, most would not once they have a good tenant. Most tenants would understand such an ammendment to the RRB as reasonable even if self appointed spokesmen for tenants such as Shelter grumble. I suggest you write to your MP with this proposal.

The 'flame-haired one' has promised that s21 would be abolished on day 1 of a labour Government.
I'm not sure how they can do that so quickly as it would be overturning primary legislation (not regulations made under legislation), and am sure they will have lots of other things they want to do very soon.

But they may be able to suspend evictions, perhaps as a temporary measure until they can make s21 evictions permanent. They managed to do temporarily during Covid, and Scotland managed a temporary before permanent rent freeze.

While not agreeing with everything he says, I think NVH may be proved to have been right in his previously expressed concerns about what Labour would do. So a s21 notice is being served today, to make sure of my best chance of eviction (if necessary) before a General Election, should it be on 2/5/24.
Even though Sunak said he doesn't expect it to be that date, with an apparently earlier than usual Budget being on 6/3/24, and with some expected tax cuts (which won't reverse higher taxes due to frozen thresholds) they MAY decide to call it soon rather than wait until Autumn.

I'm just not prepared to take the risk, and that Labour won't even strengthen section 8 as is currently being proposed. There are some in Labour who want to reform, not abolish s21. But they aren't being listened to above the clamour of the homeless charities (who are meant to prevent homelessness, not promote measures that will increase it) and Gove going for abolition.

I think many people are thinking like you Henry. It is a logical interpretation of the situation.

Sadly my membership auto renewed in December. The next AGM is in November when I shall vote against Beadle, then cancel the renewal.

It's often possible to get an auto renewal cancelled shortly after the event. Worth a try?

Robert - I want to stay a member long enough to vote against him at the AGM.

just call customer service to cancel auto renewal.

Dear Annoyed Landlord, perhaps it is too much to digest, everything is censored per convenience. That is why we are here to make comments, hopefully we can change the world to the better. Good Luck.

What happened to your comment B L? Surely it was not censored?

Nope, didn’t ask me. Probably learned from the Brexit Referendum when the people voted the opposite way to how they were supposed to vote. 😱

Had a horrendous case with TDS UK, tenants did not even deny the wrong doings but landlords lost 97% of the deposit. It is a very bad experience in the claim process, lack of consideration of all the details provided. Bias and injustice to the landlords but ignore the tenants' bad intention and the fact, despite photographic and video evidence and third parties' reports. Is there any other ways to keep the deposit? Completely lost the trust on the deposit scheme organisations and NRLA.

I got my result from the TDS last week. Basically I didn't get anything for damage, bailiffs, court etc. They asked for all the paperwork.

Luckily I got the majority of the rent arears.

Nick, I had a situation many years ago with the TDS.

Raised a claim, tenant agreed deductions and contractors paid. Tenant then raised a small query with them. Had she raised it with me first, it would have been resolved. TDS immediately demanded that I pay the whole deposit to them pending adjudication. I pointed out that I had already paid contractors AND the balance to the tenant so had nothing to transfer. They insisted I should transfer the fill amount. Presumably from my own funds. I told them I would leave TDS and go to DPS. I spent the rest of the day transferring them to DPS. Before I had transferred the first deposit I received, as a landlord, an email from TDS stating that they no longer protected the deposit and they (meaning me) should contact the agent (me again) to find out what had happened to the deposit. It was very carefully worded to suggest that I may be in trouble financially, but obscure enough that I could not take legal action.

I then emailed all landlords and within 24 hours their deposits were physically lodged with DPS. As a footnote I explained to the tenant what her actions had caused and she was most apologetic. She had just questioned a minimum charge by the cleaners. Had she come to me first, it would have been resolved without fuss. As it was, she did me a favour. I will never put a deposit with DPS again.

Idiot Grove claims landlords are "intimidating" tenants with section 21 despite it being a know fact that 93% are for are rent arrears, damage or neglect to the property, anti social behaviour, or the landlord wishing to move back in or sell.. Even if the remaining 7% are unreasonable.. Rather than than (say) condensation caused by the tenant never opening windows but blaming the landlord that's still less than 700 terminate tenancies last year.. I would like to see the evidence that landlords are intimidating tenants and whether that evidence has been independently verified. The tiny minority of bad landlords can/could be dealt with by changes to how rent benefit is paid..

Exactly. It's a pendulum. After Rachman Westminster went mad (and that was all pre-woke and social media nonsense). They went so far they killed off landlords. These idiots don't learn. History repeats. They will all say they were raising standards and good landlords are welcome. But really it's all lip services and pro-tenant.

I'm voting Reform due the the Renters Reform Bill, their unwillingness to tackle immigration, planning, how debt has soared under these (non) Tories. They need to be kicked out, so they can sort themselves out. I do fear how much more damage Labour could do though.

@ Nick, I too am voting Reform although I tell every survey I am voting conservative. 🤣 I am also ignore the negative comments from conservatives. If you vote Labour, you get Labour. If you vote Tory, you still get Labour. If you vote Limp Dumbs, you get Labour. All those parties have failed so I am giving REFORM UK a chance. They cannot make any more mess of the country than the others have done.

Well said Annoyed. The Tories say if you vote Reform you will let Labour in. I agree with them. But I already have Labour now. I don't want Labour. So at least I get to day my point!

Morning Guys,

If I was back in the UK I would seriously be running to the polling booth for Reform, made me laugh this morning on the news when they said Old Farage was the most trusted politician in the UK.... No one would have said that ten years ago.!!

Spot on guys, Reform for me also. The Labour and Tory parties are far to arrogant , self-serving and useless for me to now consider voting for them.

Capital gains is probably acting as deterrence to quit. Especially for retired dependant on the income. They sell up and have less Capital to invest to substitute the lost income.

Me too. 👍

How to vote? How to sign petition of no confidence? Don't want to miss it.

Or me John, they only send anything through which relates to them taking money off you or them getting a commission. Any real decisions, nothing not a jot.

I've already cancelled. Good when they first started up but have been way to self serving for me for a while now.

Let's cancel it, it is a organisation without principles. They need an experienced and strong leader that defends our interests.

Morning Michael. Wholeheartedly agree with you concerning Sir George Young. Back in 1999 myself and some other park home owners were being shafted by a big landowner. With the very able and willing assistance from Sir George Young he was able to bring his influence to bear and paved the way for an amicable agreement.
Not all politicians are the same!

At least a knighthood or even enoblement surely.

Polly Neate CBE. The venal Paula Vennells (non)CBE. Spot any similarities?

Perhaps we need a TV programme about how those in high places are destroying the lives of PRS tenants?

Paula Vennells is still a CBE until it is withdrawn. Handing it back changes nothing and she knows that.

He'll be elected soon at Gove's invitation

Someone on here wrote to them. I don't think they got a response. All MPs are anti-landlord now. The pendulum is swinging that way. No one dare speak out. Simon Clarke and Liz truss looked like they were going to keep S21 but got shot down by all the do-gooders.

@Nick Van Hoogstraaten - Hi Nick - just seen ur comment - I wrote to local area organiser and head office but cld not get an answer from either. Tbh our local area organiser Norma Saggers has a bit of a rep re her ability to deal with people - but my local candidate Kabeer Kher has said to me he is against RRB and wld roll back many anti LL changes - I believe Reform do not adhere to whip system so local candidates may be able to hold their iwn opinions rather than follow party lines - not certain if I am correct but am trying to find out. Kabeer K just released an email locally announcing candidacy and laying out his position on various stuff but not mentioning PRS

Interesting Catherine. I understand Reform are pretty silent on PRS.

@Nick V H - if I find out more I will drop it into a post

It would be good to hear Catherine. Thank you.

Okay let's meet half way, government give us a sec 8 which means eviction for any tenant not paying, no ifs, or buts, eviction quickly, every time

I have cancelled my auto renewal with NRLA today and stopped the Diect Debit. They have eleven months to prove that they are worth my membership fee. Not looking good so far. 🤔

@Andrew - The argument I hear from anti-21 folks is "Well at least you'll have Section 8!" Yes, for now we do. But once 21 is taken down, they'll go after 8 too.

@Annoyed Landlord - I believe you've made the right choice.

Ray, I’d like to know the membership figures before the RRB started and say, at the end of 2024. I suspect that Ben’s kingdom will have shrunk considerably.